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Buy Notes – Hitting a Put Shot With a 9-Iron

Thursday, May 28th, 2009

Buy Notes – Who is Your Borrower?

I just got off the phone with the Sr. Vice President of a California bank in charge of note sales, and a note broker friend of mine who set up the call.

The Sr Vice President advised me that they had 3 non performing notes that were commercial loans in the LA area.

How to Buy Notes…communicate with your borrower

Keep listening…

The bank told me that one of the loans was in foreclosure and had a sale scheduled in a couple of weeks.

And also mentioned that the bank had had no contact with the borrower, or builder/developer in this case.

So I questioned her if she had any concerns about the loans and also questioned if she thought the bank would run into any problems foreclosing on the properties.

She told me she wasnt concerned because the property values would allow them to pay off their loan.

My Concerns With Buy Notes Situation

The most vital thing that I have learned is that building the relationship with your borrower is key. This is probably one of the most vital concepts in the note buying business. Manage your relationships.

By not working with your borrower, you can really mess up your chances of getting out of your note deals.

And here is the reason…

There are basically 5 Exit Strategies in Note Buying:

foreclosure, refinance, small sale or deed-in-lieu, note sale, and reperformance.

Out of these options, the only 2 that will succeed with no borrower contact are foreclosure and note sale.

But the risk that the foreclosure runs – and foreclosure is the path that the banker is taking in this example – is that the borrower may file for bankruptcy and postpone the time when you recover the property.

Tip on Buying Notes

Buying notes can bring you high returns without have to foreclose or to sell the note to someone else.

If that’s right, then losing contact with your borrower essentially kills 60% of your note buying exits (3 of the 5).

Would a seasoned golfer get onto a golf course with only 5 out of their 12 clubs?

Wouldn’t that limit their game?

Probably.

But boy would it look amusing hitting a putt with a 9-iron.

Much as it can be painful or unappealing to some of you – working WITH your borrower is essential when you buy notes.

This is the advice that I gave to the SVP at the LA bank today.

I will be tracking her non performing notes so see if any of them end up in bankruptcy. Then we will know if she took my advice.

If those notes do end up in bankruptcy, it’s for certain that she will be wishing that she kept communication with her borrowers.

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How to Buy Notes – Your Enemies in Note Buying

Tuesday, April 28th, 2009

How to Buy Notes…Knowing Your Seller

Most of you have heard of Sun Tzus. He is a well-known Chinese warrior and his main instructions to his soldiers before going into battle was know your enemy.

This same concept applies to note buying.

Know your seller should be the mantra for every note buyer (and broker for that matter!).

Why?

Because if you dont know your seller then you might be entering a negotiation with them without having any thought of their key negotiating points.

A How to Buy Notes Example,My Recent Bid

A bank has the mortgage on a house in Salt Lake City and they want to sell the 1st.

The note had matured over 2 months ago and the borrower hasn’t paid on the note in over 120 days. Technically the loan could be called due.

No foreclosure notice has been served by the bank.

And they’ve called you in order to find out if you want to buy their non-performing note and mortgage.

The first thing to look for is price, what should I offer? Helpful documents are the title report and BPO. Also, contacting a local realtor for comps.

And we place in our bid.

The rep from the bank advised me that approval from a committee of senior staff would be required.

When I questioned her where she needed pricing to be and the situation of the borrower, she was very hesitant to give me answers.

Her behavior was suspicious to me so I chose to probe for more information. When I did, she clammed up and would not discuss anything further with me.

Obviously something was very incorrect with this note buying deal.

It was odd that the bank rep would react that way – in fact it was the first time Id seen that kind of a response to an individual loan before.

How to Buy Notes – Tips when Talking to the Banker

I chose try a small exploratory language with her and called her back.

Would it be safe to say that the bank has a unique relationship with this borrower? I questioned her?

That is absolutely right, she answered.

It grabbed my curiosity as I wonderered what was going on with this defaulted mortgage.

So I kept fishing, understanding full well that she couldnt reveal any information to me, but that she wasnt opposed to my pressing for more information as long as she could answer in yes or no terms.

Is there a reason why the bank hasn’t foreclosed yet?

Yes, she answered simply.

I know you can’t tell me, but I am assuming that this is a hard relationship for the bank to foreclose on. Am I right?

Absolutely, she answered again. I cant tell you any more than that.

I have one more question. Would the bank be more open to selling this nonperforming note if they new what exit strategy I would be pursuing? Rather than bassed on price?

Yes, she answered briefly again. That would be right.

What is happening with this note deal?

After a couple more phone calls, I was able to piece together some information. The borrower was a woman who was well connected in the Salt Lake City political cirlces. Her ex-husband happened to be a close friend of the banks President.

If the bank foreclosed on her, they might find themselves in a political nightmare. And that is why they wanted to sell the nonperforming loan to a 3rd party investor.

The lesson you should take from this How to Buy Notes example

If you dont take the time to probe WHY the seller is looking to sell a loan, and the circumstances around the sale, you may completely miss the sellers key negotiating points on a transaction.

This deal wasn’t about the price. The key focus for the seller was finding out how we would work out the note with the borrower. Price wasn’t really an issue to them.

Your How to Buy Notes Action Items

1. Always try to know WHY a bank wants to sell you a note or a pool of notes.

2. Find out what the negotiating points are. Why are they selling you this defaulted mortgage? The answer is usually one of the following:

a. Price

b. The amount of time it will take you to close

c. Can you close a deal? (the bank cares more about the fact that you can close rather than the price you are offering for the discounted note)

d. Your note buying exit strategies

So the next time you are taking to a bank about buying notes, remember these key points.

Itll make you that much better a note buying warrior!

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How to Purchase Non-Performing Notes: Good Brokers are Key

Wednesday, April 8th, 2009

On How to Buy Non-Performing Notes

You know, a excellent broker for your note buying business is worth his or her weight in gold.

This week alone, on my excellent brokers, telephoned me 4 times.

I had a non performing bid out and he was checking in with me.

Example of a Excellent Broker when learning How to Buy Non-Performing Notes

I had bid on a pool that he had brokered out for a friend of his whom he used to work with at an investment bank before getting into brokerage.

He was very excellent with his due diligence. He would always question me in a very polite way if I had everything that I needed and if there was anything that I found that I wasn’t expecting.

And he would say something like…”So which notes have you kicked out due to value?”

And the end of his conversation he would make it a point to show me that he was working on both ends to keep me and the seller on the same page.

He would assure me that he would say the seller about our conversations and let them know that I would be contacting them once I had everything finalized. And he would always question me for a date.

How to Buy Non-Performing Notes- Excellent Brokers are Key

This broker is always adding value – hes helping the relationship between me and my seller along, and not coming in the way.

He was always in the loop about my bids, he knew what they meant, why I was bidding on them, and which non performing notes I was bidding on.

He knows what the potential kick-outs (if there are any notes that I might kick out or pass on as a result of a value fade or a title issue.)

You should be getting what you pay for. The broker should earn the commission that you are paying them. They should make the process of buying your non-performing notes simpler.

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Buying Mortgage Notes-What Makes a Lender or Bank Rep Sell

Saturday, March 28th, 2009

Below is a question I got questioned recently. I thought this was valuable info, so I am sharing it with you here:

“I have been doing some reading on all the reasons why lenders would sell properties at huge discounts…

Dean, what would be a lender’s main concern which would get them to sell mortgage notes at deep discounts? I feel that since we’re trying to get into the minds of the LMREP, it would be more advantageous to all, if we could sell our services to their main concerns”.

My answer: Make sure you distinguish (in your thinking and in your language) properties from mortgage notes. You mentioned both in your question above.

If you used this same language when making your call to the bank rep. I can guarantee that they would probably brush you off. In their minds, you are probably just a some knucklhead that doesn’t know the difference between a deed of trust and a deed. You can bet that you won’t be getting further repsonses from them.

A Tip on Buying Mortgage Notes

Study your lingo, and make sure you know it before you try contacting your lenders:

Remember that when you are talking to that key person when buying mortgage notes, you have only one chance to make a fantastic impression.

How is that for wisdom?

A list of reasons:

Reasons to Sell Mortgage Notes at the Institutional-Level

a) Selling notes is quick. Sometimes the banks need to clear their balance sheets or may be in the process of merging, in these instances they need to go quick.

b) bank may have a “relationship” with the borrower, or there are extenuating circumstances.

c) in certain cases, the bank might now want to foreclose on borrowers because of the negative press they will get. These actions may affect their public image.

d) although the banks have no problem starting the foreclosure process, a lot of them do not want to carry our the actual foreclosure. When buying mortgage notes, you may see a lot a week away from foreclosure proceedings.

3) sometimes the warranty cover/expense is not worth the hassle when the loan is upside down, especially when the loan amounts are so small. (when buying notes, these types of deals are a fantastic opportunity)

f) In order to see what the market would pay for these loans, banks may price a part of its non performing book and send it out.

Individual Rep Reasons to Sell Mortgage Notes:

a) in some cases, the loss mitigation rep does not want to deal with borrower anymore. Reasons for this can be the borrower unwillingness to discuss matter, or broken promises of repayment.

b) they cannot get in touch with borrowers

c) foreclosure processes in their state are too long

e) authorization over certain write offs and mortgage note sales is within the rep or their direct managers authorization. When required to go to upper managment for aprovals the process is lengthened…so in those cases they may pass.

f) the rep might be shooting for their monthly bonus and sell off some mortgage notes to reach this. Sometimes it could just be a matter of meetin a monthly quota.

Hope this information helps you.

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How to Buy Mortgages from Banks – Different Deal Sources

Saturday, March 28th, 2009

On How to Buy Mortgages from Banks

Here is a commonly questioned question.

“My understanding is the federal government is going to be offering financing to private equity and hedge funds to buy up the terrible debt aka defaulted mortgages.”

Won’t this bring out a lot of competition?

“What do you reckon about that?”

This is what I reckon:

How to Buy Mortgages from Banks – The Four Buckets

In terms of “competition” it just adds to the deal source for buying mortgages from banks.

In the note buying industry, there are four buckets:

a) $100 million and above – Huge Boys

b) Mid boys – buying $20-100M

c) Small boys – buying $1-20M

d) Mom and pops – buy less than $1M

It seems to me that the shuffling is taking place around the huge boy and mid boy state, and this is in terms of raw dollars.

Now, reckon about their financials for a second, these are investors, not originators.

They’re hungry for yield one their note buying investments.

How to Buy Mortgages from Banks, Your Deal Sources Definted

If you fall into the mom and pop or small boy category, guess who just became your new deal source for buying notes? Yes, the mid and huge boys.

Why? Because these guys are looking or a quick flip on their non performing notes, and they are competitively buying more than the small boys and the mom and pops.

Look at them as a new note buying source and make sure to partner up with them. You could work out a deal where you give them a couple of points and in return you earn rights to cherry pick from their portfolio.

So if you’re worried about the drip from the water fountain (or the firehose!) being intercepted in some way, just shift yourself a small so that you catch the drips from the guy who just got in front of you.

In the meantime, there is still the option to look for other ways to buy your non performing notes.

Hope this was useful (and inspirational) information for you.

It’s time for some action!

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